What is it you can do to battle Stormers ????

What can you do to get ahead of the Stomers??? What do you see them doing and how can you counter and take the storm away from them. It is time to take your community back after an event.

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That's pretty-much all one can do....

Hey roofguy, are you out of Texas? Pondingpump.com is out of Mesa, AZ. And the roofers I seen in El Paso, starting with Roberts and a few other locals, certainly werent any better than chuckinatruck. They put them selves off as locals and they are one of the bigger chsers in the industry. Back to the original topic, since we covered just about everything else except tinner saudering technics and OS's railroad station. I think the best way to handle stormchasers is to ramp up your buisness as much as you can, ride the wave, pickup as much fruit as your basket will hold. when it start to slow down you have tolet the ones you picked up go. The ones you pick up are some of the storm chasers anyway. Keep a keen eye on prodution to make sure you don't have any problems and hopefully make money. and have job security from all the screw ups from the other storm chasers.

CIAK....Your correct on the Florida licensing...Intermingling technical aspects with licensing/consumer prorection is idiotic, in my opnion. There's already local municipalty bldg. dept's in place to take care of that.......That's one of the reasons I excused myself, (some 20 yrs ago), from a Co. trade org. committee on licensing....They just don't/couldn't get it.....I'm not the best communicator, so I gave up.

Roofguy...I'm about spent on this.....The quality issue is not merely my opinion....it's right here...It's fact. I've lived it...I've personally witnessed it. I've worked both, in states w/lic & states w/o licensing; The quality issue is most definite...Not just workmanship/quality issues either...But the shysters...OMG....Everyone's got a story of how they were ripped-off by a contractor, (a good majority of who were roofers).

Yeah, theywill show sometimes. Most people don't pay it much mind though.

Roofguy....Lets get something straight. I don't battle with the stormers...I don't have to....I live & work in an area that dossn't get hit with hail. In years past, I've lived & worked in a major hail area; Colorado's front range....I would never battle with stormers. Never HAD to......Could always find a more pleasant way to keep busy....IMO, they're oportunistic parasites, plain'n simple.....But I'm just a dumb-ass dinosuar.

There is a HUGE difference in overall quality of work, when it comes to licensing....When I relocated to Colorado in 92', I was absolutely dumbfounded at the poor quality of work...EVERYWHERE!

It was a sobering event, for sure! I will NEVER, EVER complain about authentic contractor licensing. I put up with it, because I want to live in Colorado. Otherwise, business would be much easier in Calif. or a state w/similar licensing.

Rocky's got that point nailed...Absolutely! No doubt about it.

I shouldn't have compared a non-licensed roofer with one that is. I meant a wanna be roofer and a licensed one.

Egg, I didnt understand the sarcasm as to the flashings. I've read in many threads here that "we replace all" or "should replace all side wall flashings". and I disagreed. Granted if it's bad replace it. I think Ciak commented on the 8" of embedded flashing. I kinda grew up with licensing and don't really have a problem with it until the Governor comes and robs our kitty($6 million) to balance her budget. When you dont have licensing then I'm competing against mechanics, painters, boat repairmen, homeless shelters, masons, and the home owner, etc: " Oh roofing is easy, anybody can do it", why would you need a license. Take a look at the houses that a non-licensed roofer does and one that has a license. 99% of the time, not always, you have a far better job. when you get a group of these in the same neighborhood, the neighborhood looks like chit. No pride of ownership. Thats the kind of job most of the storm chasers do. Most of the states in tornado alley dont require licensing and thats where the chasers normally flock to. Now I understand there's a difference between roofing companies that don't need a license and wanna be roofers. Wanna be's and chasers give us all a black eye. TomB, I seen it in El,Paso,Texas in 2009. what a mess.

I could probably keep a whole lot more money in my pocket if I didnt have to tell the government everything I was doing, But i am happy with my 5% net, salary, car, boat, rv, toys and anything/everything else I can account for and share with my clients.

We wear our guns loaded down here. Visible or not.

TomB Said: No slip....Want as many undesireables, out of the way, as possibly.....Govt intrusion & crooks alike!

Licensing has nothing to do with local technical mechanics, (ie. specification/application requirements).

No slip....Want as many undesireables, out of the way, as possibly.....Gov't intrusion & crooks alike!

Licensing has nothing to do with local technical mechanics, (ie. specification/application requirements).

Been gone awhile happily forgetting about such things, but I see all y'all been very busy.

Tim, over time I happen to have arrived at a good number of the same conclusions you have, but I side firmly with TomB on the subject of basic licensing. So long as the bar is low enough to make licensing accessible to a wide range of people, not just the rich, the slick, and the trick. But when you say, "Almost NEVER is the solution to a problem found in more government regulation." I am curious what you are including in the "almost."

(going back a couple of pages to a sub-thread) Rocky I can see you were speed-reading there when you say, "I dont feel it is necessary to take it (sidewall flashing)out if it is in good shape and if its in good shape and you can't put a good roof on with it, then there's something wrong with your abililties. Most of our flashing will out last 3 shingle lifetimes."

Obviously.

"I finally grasped that in Florida all those flashings have to be set in a solid 8" bed of mastic, per code. Well, yeah, you're not going to be saving any of that..."

I can't even imagine tolerating those working conditions. Add to that, what was it Jeff said way back when...in the Keys every permit application had to have approx. 140 pages of wind upload specs included before it would even be considered. Can you even fathom that lunacy?

So we have people with Cat 4 hurricanes conversing with people with baseball sized hail, people with no hail, people with no rainfall. I know a lot of things can be standardized but in the back of my mind there is absolutely no doubt that many things can't. Wonder we speak the same language when it's not the same language.

Huh????? Ya lost me roofguy......

BTW; There's no "guise"....I'm a dinosuar; remember? I still think, it's the contractors' obligation to look out for his customer, as well as the general public...and that includes every potential consumer out there. What's the cliche'? "Honestys' the best policy"?

And..For Pete's sake...Enough of the knocking legitimate/effective licensing; It's fact that licensing cuts down on the shyster/riff-raff & does provide consumer protection.....If, (theoreticaslly), Colorado, (no lic), was to wave a magic wand & implement a licensing progrtam such as Az., Ca. or Utah, (possibly OR., WA. ID), there would instantaneously be at LEAST 50% less roofing contractors here....AT LEAST.

And another thing.....Could you imagine what AZ. would've been like, if there was no licensing?.....Rocky; You can't imagine!

I think your in for an education Rocky....(the storm-chasing, that is) ;)

TomB, I think you're right when you say that can't be stopped, but they can be slowed down. Simply by being proactive in your area when a storm(hail and/or wind)happens. You are closer to the diaster and could react must quicker. If you don't want any of the action then you really can't biotch about the stormers. If you do want part you have to move fast. On your other note, Home owners rarely see 2 let alone 20-30 salesmen in a storm. the first guy there is so good he wraps it up in one call. Talk about a high closing ratio. Mike H, you don't what? someone has a roof leak, it's a hardship. Storm related or not. It's all about profit maybe not greed, but always profit. And if somebody needs your help with a hail ridded roof or you going to turn them down? I don't think so. You are blessed if you have enough work you don't have to go looking for it. But what's enough? Hail damage sometimes is not evident in an area until 2-3 years down the road when the gramules fall onto the driveway and the nice roof turns black. The whole neighborhood looks lile it falls in to decline at the same time, plunging home values, HO's move out and start rentals, which invites crime. Yea, you can blame this on a hail storm with hail small enough the the adjustor said no to everything in the neighborhood. Small hail does damage. Let me take a couple of drumsticks to your brand new car for 2 minutes and see if I do damage to the hood of your car or truck. Damn right. TomB. Greed? Unscrupulos? How Naive? Many insurance companies have a time limit on the Recoverable depreciation which is a 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of the project. Sure Mr. homeowner you can wait 3-4-5 years and then call me, but you'll have to pay out your own pocket. And don't forget to save that money the insurance company gave you in the beginning or you'll have to come up with that to. Right, go ahead and listen to the roofer who told you that joke. Roof-dawg, if you have any more then 3 crews then you need a damn good supervisor. You can never trust the crews. Thats why most companies stay small. So they can keep an eye on the crews. If you get larger then you need more management to watch the ones you can't. Then you get to the point that you're watching supervisors and not crews and so on. You have to make sure the supers do their job correctly and you can make. Twill, that might just be the answer. Join them. My goal is to go nationwide(as an licensed contractor, needed or not). I am licensed in Montana, Missouri, Utah, Registered in Texas and a few other states. Testing for Illinois and California now Cali should be easy as we have reciprocity laws. But I don't plan on chasing. I will probably set up shop in each state and put a partner or a manager in each one and let them run it. Roofguy, thanks for joining the conversation We be swinging from our harness's woody, gosh do the guys hate them. But what's the difference falling 10' from a 4/12 0r a 10/12?

Maybe I'm just being naive here....."How to become a stormer"? I can't think of a more simplistic adventure....I could understand, something more like; "How to convince myself to become a stormer"

Oh, don't be ridiculous roofguy! Surely one wouldn't allow leakage....You must surely know, as well as any, that most of the "hail damaged" roofs we're talk'n bout here, don't need replacing right away....In total perspectiv; A very, very few, in fact.